The video showed spokeswoman Liz Cheney asking Kouchner about repeated threats to oust attorney Pat A. Chipolone over Mr. Trump’s questionable behavior. “Jared, do you know cases where Pat Shipolone threatened to resign?” he seemed to be asking. “As I said, my interest at the time was to try to get as many pardons as possible,” Kouchner said. “And I know he and the team always said, ‘We will resign, we will not be there if this happens, if this happens. So I thought it was like grumbling, to be honest with you. “
